The Shroud of Turin, the eucharists that have been turned to flesh, and the Sudarium of Oviedo all have the same blood type, AB. A blood type that was rare in medieval Europe, but common in the Middle East. If these were made up during the middle ages, wouldn’t they have different blood types?
Posted: September 17th 2010
Reed Braden www
Imaginary-negative.
Posted: September 20th 2010
Mike the Infidel www
About the shroud:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin#Blood_stains
People with a big horse in the race say it’s blood of a type that didn’t even exist for another 700 years. People with just a small horse in the race say that the blood is too deteriorated to be typed and the DNA is far too degraded to be usable. People with no horse in the race say it’s tempura paint.
About the eucharists that have been turned to flesh: Name one, then demonstrate how we know it was ever a cracker.
Posted: September 19th 2010
SmartLX www
Blood wasn’t found on the shroud, it was found on the sticky tape used to lift tiny fibres from it during analysis. That expands the possibilities for whose blood it is to include those who handled it during analysis, as well as anyone who dealt with it at its first use (or creation, in the case of a hoax).
There’s more information here.
Posted: September 18th 2010
Paula Kirby www
Seriously … if a eucharistic wafer had ever been demonstrably turned to flesh, we wouldn’t need to test its blood group to be convinced there’d been a divine miracle!
Posted: September 17th 2010
Eric_PK
Umm…
It is by no means established that the shroud of turin has blood on it, nor that if there is blood, that it can be successfully typed.
Even if it is blood, there are lots of explanations. You are asserting the following:
a) the shroud was created in europe. It could have been, or it could have been created in the middle east.
b) that it wasn’t know that the events of the bible happened in the middle east.
c) there were no middle eastern people in europe at the time. This is demonstrably, obviously false.
But, even if it is from the burial of a middle eastern person, so what?
You still need to account for the radiocarbon dating, which is quite conclusive.
Posted: September 17th 2010
brian thomson www
I’m no expert on these topics, but a quick read of a few sources implies that blood type AB didn’t exist anywhere before approx. 700 CE. So, whether or not it’s from the right region, that makes it highly unlikely that it was deposited 2,000 years ago, and highly likely that these artifacts were created in the Middle Ages.
Posted: September 17th 2010