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Doesn't belief in evolution take faith too?

In Evolution, the material that the universe was created from had to come from somewhere. You say “Where did God come from?” I say “Where did all that matter come from?” I also say, matter doesn’t just explode out of nowhere; some outside force has to act on it. Also, if billions of things evolved to make all the animals, how come things aren’t still evolving? In addition, atheists don’t think Christianity has enough proof. Well, you can’t prove evolution either. In fact, is there any concrete proof? In all, both believing in Evolution and Christianity takes faith. (faith is technically just believing in something you did not actually see)

Posted: February 9th 2012

George Locke

faith is technically just believing in something you did not actually see

This isn’t how most people use the word “faith”. Semantics aside, the key distinction is this: science backs up its claims with evidence while religion does not.

Imagine the following scenario. You wake up and find your husband in the kitchen with coffee perking. Assuming the two of you live alone, you wouldn’t need to ask him if he set the coffee to brew. You would believe that he made the coffee because it’s the only reasonable explanation that accounts for all the facts. You never saw the coffee getting made, but you infer that he put ground coffee and water into your coffee machine and turned it on.

You would call that kind of inference “faith”?

The important thing isn’t the semantic distinction between faith-beliefs and other beliefs. What’s important is that evidence leads you to conclude that your wife made the coffee. While the evidence for evolution is more complicated than just seeing hot coffee, the type of inference in both cases is the same. In the case of evolution, the wealth of evidence is simply overwhelming. There is no evidence for the existence of God (rather the opposite).

Your insistence on calling belief in evolution “faith” can’t hide the categorical difference between belief in evolution and belief in God: evidence.

Posted: February 21st 2012

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Blaise www

The others have given excellent primary answers to your questions, so I’m just going to hit a couple of finer points:

First, matter does explode into existence out of nowhere, all the time. It’s been experimentally observed many times. In quantum physics, it has been shown that “vacuum fluctuations”, where subatomic particles simply pop into and out of existence randomly, with no external cause, are happening millions of times a second in every cubic centimeter of empty space. As it happens, they normally pop out in the same amount as they pop in, so mass stays constant. It could very well be that the entire cosmos is a single vacuum fluctuation that has yet to cancel itself out yet! Of course, none of this has anything to do with evolution.

Second, why would you think that science ever claims to have 'proof’ of anything? Science is about evidence, not proof. It is nearly impossible to prove a claim, only to collect evidence to support or disprove it. The question isn’t whether we think christianity has enough proof, it’s whether there is any credible evidence to support it. If there is, I haven’t seen it yet. I’m not sure how you conflate the accuracy of the theory of evolution with disproof of christianity, but we do have mountains of evidence supporting evolution.

Posted: February 11th 2012

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Galen Rose www

You wrote, “. . . matter doesn’t just explode out of nowhere.” Are you quite sure about this? It seems to me that you have twice the problem since, in your theory, you need a god to come from somewhere in order to create matter from somewhere, while I only have the problem of where matter came from.

If you think a god always existed, then what do you suppose that god did for trillions of trillions of years – an infinity of years, really – before he came up with the idea of creating a universe?

And how would you explain the most complex entity in the universe, an all-powerful god, being the very first thing to exist? Cosmologists today believe simple energy was the first thing to exist, while you apparently believe an all-powerful, all-knowing supreme invisible intelligence was the first thing to exist. In short, you have a much bigger mystery on your hands than do atheists.

As for evolution versus Christianity, there is a small mountain of evidence for evolution, and it can be witnessed in real time with viruses and other organisms. We get a different flu vaccine formula every year because the flu viruses continually evolve. Look it up.

Meanwhile, the case for Christianity rests entirely on hearsay, as it is based solely on the ancient, written accounts of biased individuals living in a primitive, superstitious age. Those ancient stories share every important feature of what we today call urban legends.

Posted: February 11th 2012

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Paula Kirby www

You say “Where did God come from?” I say “Where did all that matter come from?”

That’s not a question for evolution. That’s a question for cosmology. They are two completely different areas of study and expertise. If you want to hear one cosmologist’s answer to the question, you might like to watch this video

I also say, matter doesn’t just explode out of nowhere; some outside force has to act on it.
I don’t mean to be rude, but why should anyone care what you say on the subject of cosmology? Unless you are a professional cosmologist, what on earth makes you think your uninformed hunch carries any weight? I have linked you above to just one professional cosmologist who disagrees with you. Why should anyone listen to you, rather than to him?

Also, if billions of things evolved to make all the animals, how come things aren’t still evolving?
What makes you think things aren’t still evolving? Do you have any idea at all how enormously slow the process of evolution is? With just a few exceptions, it takes place on geological timescales (hint: that’s a hell of a lot more than 6000 years), not the timescales of human lifetimes.

In addition, atheists don’t think Christianity has enough proof. Well, you can’t prove evolution either. In fact, is there any concrete proof?
Are you prepared to check your facts on this? If I recommend a book to you, will you actually read it? I’ll give you a choice of two. You don’t need to read both: they both cover pretty much the same ground and are both very readable and accessible. The first is by Richard Dawkins, The Greatest Show on Earth, and the other is by Jerry Coyne, Why Evolution is True. Both spell out the evidence for evolution.

In all, both believing in Evolution and Christianity takes faith. (faith is technically just believing in something you did not actually see)
No, accepting evolution requires no faith, just a willingness to base one’s conclusions on the evidence. Reams and reams and reams of it, as much as we have for just about any scientific claim there is. And faith is not belief in something you did not see (no one has ever seen a sub-atomic particle, but not only is there a huge amount of evidence for them, their behaviour can even be predicted with astonishing accuracy), it is belief in something without evidence. Read one of those books I’ve recommended, and you will discover that evidence is something that evolution has in absolute abundance.

Posted: February 10th 2012

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